This is the second part of the interview with Jane Hamilton (A.K.A. Veronica Hart).
RACHEL ARIEFF
How long have you been friends with Kelly Nichols?
JANE HAMILTON
We were in Roommates together. So we’re talking about 29 years. I love her. She’s seen my children grow up, and I’ve seen her children grow up. It’s been a trip. It’s wonderful.
RACHEL ARIEFF
Did your kids play together?
JANE HAMILTON
Yeah. Did you know that Melanie (Kelly Nichols’ daughter) married Jessie (Melanie’s girlfriend, who she was able to marry before California recently banned gay marriage)? It’s illegal here.
RACHEL ARIEFF
Yes. They got in just under the wire.
JANE HAMILTON
Yeah. And they come over, and we have Taco Night. A lot of times on Sunday nights — because Chris doesn’t live here, my one son Max still lives in the house. He’s got the downstairs floor. But Chris doesn’t live here, so on Sundays we usually have family night. A lot of times Jessie and Melanie and Jessie would come over. That’s just wonderful. You know, it’s extended family. It just feels so good. It feels wonderful to have a history with these people. She’s (Kelly Nichols) actually performing a little bit. A lot of the ladies have gotten back to performing.
Marilyn Chambers and Jane Hamilton at a adult convention
RACHEL ARIEFF
You directed the comeback movies of both Marilyn Chambers and Ginger Lynn.
JANE HAMILTON
I love Marilyn. What a wonderful lady. She and Ginger and truly really great actresses. Besides being sexual performers and everything, they’re really really wonderful. Ginger, I think, was more comfortable with her sexuality in coming back and how she felt about herself, but I don’t think Marilyn was at the best point in her life as far as physically and mentally wanting to do it. I think she wanted to do it more for monetary reasons than for other reasons. I think that part was tough on her. But I adore Marilyn. And Ginger I have so much respect for and so much love, because I think she’s such a great actress and she’s so present in what she does. And she really cared about the sexual chemistry and all that kind of stuff. I mean, she insisted on auditions so she could see if she wanted to be with the person she was gonna be acting with. So I have utmost respect and love for both of those women.
And to be perfectly honest, they were women, as I was growing up, that – I don’t spend a lot of time being jealous, I don’t think I’m a jealous person, I’ve fought my whole life against being jealous. But if there was somebody I was envious of, I’m sure it was Marilyn Chambers when she had her huge entourage and she was the “it” girl and she was just amazing. And it was Ginger who was always bubbly and lively and the life of the party. And I look at the life these ladies have had, and their ups and downs, and their travails and problems, and I’m so lucky to be me and to have the life that I’ve led. It’s interesting how you realize these things a long time afterwards.
I never thought I would say that. But I love both of them very much.
RACHEL ARIEFF
Marilyn Chambers told us in an interview a couple years ago that when you directed her comeback film, she was shocked to see how turned on you were by the process of directing because she views filmmaking as just work.
JANE HAMILTON
Do I get aroused? I don’t get aroused. I get excited if I think it’s good. No, I get aroused when I’m in bed with somebody. Or if I’m with my vibrator. Watching adult doesn’t arouse me at the time. Directing adult – I’m hoping that she felt that way, and I’m hoping that I made her feel sexy, and I’m hoping that she felt that I turned her on. Because I want my performer to think they’re sexy. I want them to feel like they’re arousing everyone. As a director, that’s my job. I want them to feel in that space. But do I sit and jerk off while I direct? Absolutely not. I’m always worried about the camera angle, I’m worried about the time, I’m worried it could go late at the location, I’m worrying if we’re going to be able to get into the next scene, I’m worried if the next person’s already in makeup, I’m worried, “Is lunch gonna be called on time?” Is catering together? Does that wardrobe fit?
RACHEL ARIEFF
You’re a director.
JANE HAMILTON
It’s a complete job. But at the same time, have I as a director, ever gone over to a male actor and whispered absolutely filthy things in his ear to help him perform? You bet I have. I’m diabolical. I will do whatever it takes to get a performance out of somebody – I mean, within reason. Do you know what I mean? If you’re in a position of making a movie and and you care about the movie and you want it to be the best movie it can be, yeah, you pull out all your tricks. If it’s about making a performer feel they’re hot, when you know that maybe they don’t feel particularly hot, then you do that.
I find myself, if I’m watching a really good scene, I will move. I’m a physical gal, I’m a dancer. If they’re in a rhythm and it’s good, I will find myself behind the monitor moving with them. I will find my head bobbing and going, “Yeah, yeah, right, right, get it, get it.” I will do that.
RACHEL ARIEFF
Do you have any funny stories about shooting scenes?
JANE HAMILTON
When a guy was having a bad time, I did go up and I just whispered some really dirty, disgusting things about what I was gonna do to him, and it helped him finish the scene. I love flirting with my performers, but I’m certainly not into fucking them. It’s not that I don’t respect them as people, it’s just that I would never want to take advantage of somebody, make them feel like they had to fuck me to be in a film I was doing.
That’s the joy of adult films. You don’t have to fuck people to get in them. Your job IS fucking.
RACHEL ARIEFF
Is it true what I read in “The Other Hollywood”, where someone said that strangely enough in the Adult business, there is no casting couch like there is than Hollywood, which is filthy in comparison with the amount of people fucking directors and producers to get the job.
JANE HAMILTON
I never had to fuck anybody to get a job. But I know a lot of porn producers that are not beyond getting a blow job, if you want to get into his next movie. So there are sleazebags in every business. I tell you, it’s a lot less prevalent in our business than it is in Hollywood. I’ve fucked a lot of mainstream people and that doesn’t mean I got anywhere either. (laughter)
RACHEL ARIEFF
I love what Kelly Nichols said in the “The Other Hollywood”. When she said, “I didn’t want to fuck anyone to get a part. I’d say, ‘Just invite me to your party. Then I’ll fuck you.’”
JANE HAMILTON
Yeah. I think
RACHEL ARIEFF
What’s the most ridiculous thing that ever happened on a shoot?
JANE HAMILTON
We invariably put people in terrible positions. As a director, I’ve got it so much in my mind what I want to see happen, that’s it’s a pain in the ass when it comes to the sex. If it’s not happening the way I want it to, I will stop and say, “Okay, get it from over here, get it from over there.” And it stops the flow and it’s really difficult for the performers. As a person who just appreciates a sex scene, I can understand how it’s better to let two people just go at it. But as a craftsman and filmmaker, I know what I want to see. I’m a pain in the ass because I stop and start and stuff like that.
We put people in horrible positions. So inevitably you’ve got someone in a winter outfit in the middle of summer. Or, you’ve got somebody fucking naked in the middle of winter. There was one set, we were in Palm Springs. If you know Palm Springs, in January, it’s fucking FREEZING at night. It’s the high desert, we’re on top of a mountain. I think it’s gonna be cool, because you see Palm Springs in the background. And a red sportscar. The crew, myself included, was wearing parkas and mufflers and everything. And there’s this poor guy fucking two women on the car. And I was responsible for that! It seemed like a good idea at the time. So we were up there in the middle of it, and I’m going, “Oh my God, what have I done? What an idiot I am to put these people in this position.” Just for a movie. Was I out of my mind?
RACHEL ARIEFF
Were they pissed off at you?
JANE HAMILTON
Pretty bad circumstances. When I first produced for Michael Ninn, I forgot towels. Debbie Diamond never let me forget that. I was first producing it. And I didn’t have towels for after the shower. It was pretty unforgiveable. But I learned. I never go to a set now without towels.
And then there’s stupid stuff that I do: walk into a set when they’re rolling, and say, “Hey, Buddy!” and everybody looks at you like they’re gonna kill you. I mean, that still happens. (laughter)
RACHEL ARIEFF
You worked on the remake of The Opening of Misty Beethoven with John Skipp, who was your roommate, wasn’t he?
JANE HAMILTON
He sure was. That’s how it came about. He needed to write something because he was getting behind in his rent (laughter). It worked really well because he’s such an excellent writer. And they talked about doing something at work that was a little bigger budget, and I was thinking, what could work with a bigger budget? And what my ___ was throwing at me was remaking classics. So I remade Barbara Broadcast. And then they were talking about remaking Misty Beethoven. And I just thought it was a sin to remake something that was so amazing to begin with. How do you do that? And we thought about making it a different genre: making it a musical. And it just so happens that the guy I was with at the time was a music producer, and had his own studio. And Skipp was a writer, and wrote music. And it just all seemed to fit together. I mean, I don’t think it could ever happen that way again, but it was just perfect. So I asked Skipp if he would rewrite Misty Beethoven with music in it, as a musical. And he became “Maxwell Hart” (Skipp’s pen name in the credits). And he had fun alluding to his X-rated past.
RACHEL ARIEFF
I remember Skipp talking about one scene that was filmed in a downtown L.A. warehouse, where he got to play drums during a huge sex scene with hundreds of people fucking on glass coffee-tables, which was murder on their knees.
JANE HAMILTON
Yeah. There was – Oh, I’ve done that before. I’ve put ‘em on plexiglass, and try to have them fuck on plexiglass and shoot it from underneath. All these ideas seem like they’re really good ideas, but if you watch a lot of the movies and you see the way they’re fucking, it’s like, “I don’t think so. That would be so uncomfortable.” We constantly do that, we constantly put people in uncomfortable positions.
RACHEL ARIEFF
Well, mainstream movies do it too. My pet peeve is watching a guy fuck a woman against the wall, and slams her repeatedly against the wall. It doesn’t look very comfortable.
JANE HAMILTON
No, but oh, it can be hot. I had a lover who was so wonderful. He was completely into being spontaneous. We would meet each other for lunch and fuck in the van. Or I’d just blow him before we went into a restaurant or something like that. It’s that stuff that makes it so fun. And we were on a movie theater in downtown Glendale. We were coming down the stairs, and it’s like he looked at me, and I looked at him, and I just dropped my pants. He bent over the railing and just FUCKED me! That was GREAT! He wrote Edgeplay (one of Marilyn’s comeback movies that Veronica Hart directed). He used to be a cross-dresser. He was in an L.A. band called Foxtwat.
RACHEL ARIEFF
Fox-twat?? (laughter)
JANE HAMILTON
Yeah. I loved him. He’s still one of my favorite people. He really taught me how to move energy. I’ve had a lot of affairs with filmmakers or performers or musicians. I’m a sucker for them. And I’m continuing that trend with Timothy. Our musical tastes differ, but I’m beginning to like country a little more (laughter). I’m a rock-n-roll girl.
RACHEL ARIEFF
Did you find out if any of the original cast of Misty Beethoven saw your remake and what they thought of it?
JANE HAMILTON
I don’t know! That’s an interesting question. I tried to get Jamie Gillis to be in it, but we just couldn’t afford him. He just wanted too much money to fly down from San Francisco and to be in it. And it was’t a sex role. So we got Freddy Lincoln to do it instead. So I really didn’t have the participation of some of the original people. But I hope they liked it.
RACHEL ARIEFF
Do you know Jamie Gillis pretty well?
JANE HAMILTON
Yeah I do.
RACHEL ARIEFF
Sharon Mitchell said that once in New York, he called her at three in the morning and asked her to come to his apartment immediately. And she was good friends with him, so she just got in a cab without asking any questions. And when she got to his apartment, he was playing some kind of S&M game with (70s porn star) Serena. He was holding Serena’s head in the toilet while he flushed it, and he’d called Sharon Mitchell because he needed an extra set of hands to hold Serena’s head.
JANE HAMILTON
Absolutely. He used to tie Serena up. He’d get a cheap motel on 42nd Street, and he’d tie her to the bed, and he’d go downstairs and get guys off the street to come up and fuck her. Yeah, he was quite an interesting cat.
I was doing live sex shows. That’s how I began. Before I ever did a movie, I moved to New York. And Roy Stewart said that I should be doing movies. And he took me around to a couple of places, and back then, people prepared for a couple of months to do movies. So in the meantime, I was trying to get enough money together to go back to Las Vegas to spend Christmas with my folks. And I was working as a temporary secretary at Psychology Today. And Roy says, “Why don’t you do live sex shows?”
Roy had a very interesting psychology. He would constantly put himself as a performer. Personally, when we were making love, at home, just fooling around, he never had any problem. He was always a great lover. But when we would try to do it publicly, either at a movie, or at the sex shows, he wouldn’t be able to get it up. So literally, I blew my brains out that week. If you would imagine doing five shows a day! I’d come out and strip, and then he comes out. And then we’d do head-and-head in three positions and a pop (ejaculation).
But the thing to do that, with a guy that never got hard, and it’s a live thing, it was very difficult. I was always trying, and he was always half-assing it… Anyway, I got enough money to go home with my boyfriend, and when I got back I decided to do it with my boyfriend. And that seemed to be wonderful for a long time, doing the live sex shows.
RACHEL ARIEFF
Was that at Show World?
JANE HAMILTON
We didn’t do it at Show World. There was the Avon 7, the Doll, and the Bryant Theater. And that was the circuit that we did. Sometimes you’d migrate from place to place, but usually you were one week at the Doll, one week at the Avon 7, and one week at the Bryant. It was quite wonderful because you would be boyfriend-girlfriend, you’d be making love anyway. And this way, you could both be making money, and you’d be making love, and it was fun. It was really great fun. The first time Billy and I did it, we went up onstage and we did it. And it was so fun, we fucked out brains out and he came. Alright? And then, in between shows, it was so exciting, we were up in the dressing room, and we fucked each other and he came.
Came time to do the second show: oh boy! There was nothing there. So we learned. He would come maybe once a day, and we would space it out between performances. We would make it look like he was ejeculating, but he wouldn’t. And he had to take Brewer’s Yeast and all this stuff that’s supposed to be good for your libido, and keeping a hard-on and producing sperm. And it seems like it would be a really good job, but after my 8th week straight of sex five times a day, six or seven days a week… and I had conjunctivitis, so I had perform with my sunglasses on, I was on my period, so I was using a sponge, and I went, “Oh my God. I can’t do this anymore.” It was like, “Honey, I love you, but I cannot do this anymore. I love sex, and I will stay liking sex, but this is not the way it’s gonna happen for me.”
RACHEL ARIEFF
Burnout.
JANE HAMILTON
Oh, complete burnout.
RACHEL ARIEFF
What was it like doing a live sex show for the first time? Were you nervous, was it weird?
JANE HAMILTON
Yeah! It’s exciting!
RACHEL ARIEFF
Did you have to drink or do drugs to get out there for the first time?
JANE HAMILTON
No. I was a dancer. I’d always performed. I’d been in dance recitals since I was a child. And I was onstage plenty. We won the American College Theater Festival. I played Adela in The House of Bernarda Alba at the Kennedy Center. I’d been onstage a lot.
RACHEL ARIEFF
Yes, but not having sex.
JANE HAMILTON
It was just combining two things I really loved. I really loved acting, and I really loved sex. AND, I could paid for it!
RACHEL ARIEFF
Being paid is a big turn-on in itself.
JANE HAMILTON
Yeah! It was like, the business the MADE for me! (laughter) It was awesome! I had college friends of mine that were doing anything except acting. They always wanted to act. They never got a chance to act. And I was doing movies, I was fucking, and I was making money, and I was being a star.
RACHEL ARIEFF
Your friends were waiting tables for shit money and sometimes getting sexually harrassed, so what’s more degrading?
JANE HAMILTON
I only felt degraded once, when I worked for Lenny Kurtmann. It was a first shoot I was ever on. Lenny put the scum in scumbag. I was wise enough to say, “Okay, you can’t tape my audition.” He would have people come over to “audition” for him, and he would have a close-up of a fucking shot, and he would run a camera, and shoot them fucking. Not their faces or anything like that, but just the genitals, so he could slip them in a movie in the future.
So I’m on one of his films, and I learned a lot because I worked with Seka on that, and she taught me the ropes. I adore her, I love her. She’s still a great friend to this day. I was with a guy called Zebedy Colt. Zebedy was primarily gay. I didn’t know that, but Zebedy was primarily gay. So I would work really hard, bone, get him up, and when we’d get him up, we’d shoot soft. And then he goes, “Well, time for the hard core. Well, better get him up again.” So I would continually have to get him hard. And I had never been on a set before. So Lenny Kurtmann says, “Honey, aren’t you tired?” And I go, “Um, I don’t know. I guess.” He says, “Wouldnt you like this to be over?” I said, “Gee, I don’t know. I guess.” And then he goes, “Okay.” And I bend over. He whips out his dick and he fucks me and pops on me.
Now, I didn’t know much at that time, but I knew that was wrong. There were directors, and there were performers. And I just felt like the cheapest piece of shit. I remember I went home and cried that night. It made me feel very cheap and very degraded. And then he had the nerve to invite me to the Bahamas with him the next day. He had no clue that he was being a scumbag. He really had no idea. I couldn’t believe it.
RACHEL ARIEFF
And then you told Seka what had happened.
JANE HAMILTON
Yeah, and she said, “Honey, you don’t have to do anything you don’t want to do in this business. If they ask you do something and you don’t want to do it, you say, ‘No, I won’t.’ No big deal.” And that was the best advice I ever got. Only do what you want to do. And that’s what I tell girls. If this isn’t comfortable for you, if you’re asked to do something… But again, I also tell people: you have to tell performers coming in what’s expected of them. If you would like there to be such-and-such a scene and you want it to be that way, make sure everybody knows what’s involved. Make sure everybody’s comfortable playing it. Occasionally, I’ve gotten going so busy sometimes, and you’re in the middle of production, and at the last minute, somebody calls and cancels, and you replace them. And you forget to tell the other person that you’re replacing them. I mean, it’s bad. Have I done that? Yep. I’ve done that a couple of times. I felt really bad. “Oh my God. I didn’t tell you that you’re now working with such-and-such. I hope that’s okay!” And I’ve apologized. Sometimes that happens in productions. Should it? No. Does it? Yes. Do I make mistakes? Yes. Do I mean to? No.
RACHEL ARIEFF
Going back to Seka, one of the funniest lines in “The Other Hollywood” is something you said about her. I’m sure you remember what it is.
JANE HAMILTON
“As long as I have a face, Seka will always have a place to sit.” (laughter)
RACHEL ARIEFF
Why do you feel that way?
JANE HAMILTON
She was just so nice. She took me under her wing. And I’d been with women before, and she was so fun. She just was very kind to me and made me feel at ease and at home and taught me the ropes. And she’s sexy and wonderful and hot. A good person.
RACHEL ARIEFF
Are you still in touch with her?
JANE HAMILTON
Yep. She sends me funny stuff all the time. She sends me cute little things you’re supposed to send on to 20 other people, and sister stuff, and love stuff, and funny photos and stuff like that. And the last time I saw her, we connected really well. We were at a thing where we were signing autographs at this place in Seattle. She’s happily married now. She married a really good guy. A regular guy, but really good for her. Good to her. They have a good relationship. She goes around to a lot of the trade shows and sells her old pictures and takes pictures with fans and stuff like that.
RACHEL ARIEFF
She lives in Kansas?
JANE HAMILTON
Yeah, she lives somewhere out there. She used to live in Chicago, but I know they moved from there.
RACHEL ARIEFF
Who were your favorite sex symbols as a teenager?
JANE HAMILTON
Oh, rock stars. Yeah, David Bowie. David Bowie was my favorite. He was the one who inspired me to try women and expand sexually, and I just thought he was amazing. And I loved that whole Glam Rock thing he had. That’s probably why I’ve always had a thing for musicians. Believe me — and I’m sure you’ve found out:– you always get what you want. It may not make you feel the way you thought it would make you feel, it may not look the way you thought it would look, but you always get what you want. You always do. I mean, you call this stuff in. Whatever you want, you get it. Just be careful what you wish for.
And if you want something, be as specific as you can be about it. And if you’re calling other people into your life, be very specific, because you WILL attract these people. You will call stuff in. And the more specific you can be about it, the better. That’s what I know. I called in Craig the last time, and he was a lot of things that I wanted. But like I said, he never could handle who I was, or what I’d been, or my sexuality.
RACHEL ARIEFF
Craig was your boyfriend from the last relationship that just ended?
JANE HAMILTON
Yeah.
RACHEL ARIEFF
The younger you are, the less specific you can be because you know so little.
JANE HAMILTON
I knew this time that it had to be somebody that wasn’t afraid of me, and was okay with my sexuality, and I wanted somebody more famous than I was. And in walks Timothy. It’s kind of interesting.
RACHEL ARIEFF
Are a lot of men or women afraid of you?
JANE HAMILTON
Yeah. Yeah. They get a false idea of what I am. They think I’m like a circus performer of stuff like that. They think they have to do circus acrobatics with me. I’m normal. I’m certainly not average, but they don’t have to do tricks to be with me. I’m really interested in a connection. I thrive on connections. That’s what makes this whole place up here liveable, are the connections I have with people. I’m completely a connection junkie.
RACHEL ARIEFF
There are three legendary porn movies: The Devil in Miss Jones, The Opening of Misty Beethoven, and Deep Throat. A lot of people don’t like Deep Throat at all…
JANE HAMILTON
I’ve seen Misty Beethoven because I had to research to do a remake on it.
RACHEL ARIEFF
You hadn’t seen it before?
JANE HAMILTON
I’ve seen Devil in Miss Jones. Never seen all of Deep Throat. But Behind the Green Door was another defining one. I worked with Marilyn from Behind the Green Door. One of my best friends is Georgina Spelvin, who is The Devil in Miss Jones. She’s got a great book out, by the way: The Devil Made Me Do It. There’s this funny story: Georgina would tell me about this real cool guy that she’s known, called Michael from New York. And I would tell her about this Michael that I knew, who I was hanging out with and falling out with. So we meet at the company picnic, which was the AVN awards, used to be the ERotica Awards. And I go, “Oh, George! Here’s the Michael I’ve been telling you about.” And Michael turned around, and her jaw drops to the floor, and her Michael and my Michael are the same guy. Can you imagine? And he was a legitimate camera guy. And she was on Broadway before she did adult. She was a producer for J.C. Penny’s. During the hippy time, they had a place called The Pickle Factory that they were trying to get off the ground as an alternative filmmaking studio. Isn’t that wild that her Michael and my Michael were the same guy?
But George and I are still best friends. We still email each other all the time. So I’ve worked with her, worked with Marilyn, and we did Misty. And I worked with Harry Reems in his comeback film called Society Affairs. I was his fluffer in a couple of scenes. I was dating the producer, and Harry was having a tough time getting it up. And you know, I’d do anything for the sake of the movie. (laughter)
RACHEL ARIEFF
You’re a soldier.
JANE HAMILTON
(laughter)
RACHEL ARIEFF
Isn’t Harry a religious Christian?
JANE HAMILTON
I don’t know if he’s born again, but he’s a realtor in Park City, Utah.
RACHEL ARIEFF
He’s an interesting guy.
JANE HAMILTON
He’ll never come to any of our things, but he trades on being Harry Reems. So he trades on it to his advantage, but he doesn’t have any association with us. We’ve tried to get him to show up to different award shows before, and he won’t. But I know that he trades on being that Harry Reems.
RACHEL ARIEFF
He had drug problems and I think he cited that as being one of the reasons that he got into the religion.
JANE HAMILTON
Hmm. It’s like Linda Lovelace. It’s funny, because Linda hated her connections with pornography, but it was always the porn people that came to her aid. When she was trying to get her liver transplant, it wasn’t only the Holy Rollers that were giving money. When she didn’t have money, it was’t the Christian Right Wing that helped her.
RACHEL ARIEFF
Nor the feminists.
JANE HAMILTON
Yeah. It was always the porn people who embraced her and loved her, which I think was pretty interesting.
RACHEL ARIEFF
Do you feel like Linda Lovelace bit the hand that fed her?
JANE HAMILTON
Yes, yes, yes. Annie Sprinkle really loved her and has a lot of feeling for her. She feels that she was such a victim and everything. But Linda was a victim and remained a victim. There are just some people who are so comfortable with that persona, and they never want to do anything to help themselves get out of it.
RACHEL ARIEFF
When Linda Lovelace went anti-porn and came out with the books, I got so sick of reading the stories in which she blamed her troubles on everyone else except herself, I wanted to slap her.
JANE HAMILTON
You were there, you did it, and I’m sorry to remind you, but you liked it. I had a problem with Samantha Fox. Samantha Fox and I were very close. We were both stars at the same time. I didn’t realize how much of an alcohol problem she had at that time. She hid it very well. We were on Phil Donahue together. I mean, she had come to my wedding. I was on Phil Donahue with her, and I had to defend myself and being in pornography against her.
I never thought I would ever be attacked by her on a television show. I was tempted to say, “Well, when I was eating your pussy, you didn’t seem to be minding it.” I didn’t say it. I didn’t want to drop down to that level, but I said, “Samantha, never ever in my life would I ever have dreamed that I would have to defend myself against you.” She said, “I was just trying to be controversial.” I couldn’t believe it. She was mad at me, I guess.
We were shooting a scene in Amanda By Night where I was acting in a limo. I was dating Ted Paramour. This is true. Teddy and I were an item, and I was dating the producer of the movie, so that’s true. And I did drive around with him in a limo because we were shooting a scene from the movie. And she was out in front of a bar, because they’d finished a scene and they were waiting for the limo to come back. So somehow, in her drinking frenzy, she thought that she was waiting out in the cold while I was jerking around in a limo with the producer. And we were making the movie!
So I think if anything, I think she got a chip on her shoulder from that. Or maybe she had a thing for Ted. I know she’d come on to Teddy, and he’d chosen me instead of her.
RACHEL ARIEFF
So she’s not anti-porn?
JANE HAMILTON
I don’t know what she is. She certainly doesn’t want to talk about it, and she doesn’t want to get into it. I just think it’s so much more adult to say, “Yes, this is what I chose to do then. It’s not right for me now. It’s not what I do now, but yes, it is what I did then. And I was happy to do it.” I’m just really sick of all these people who were seemingly having fun, making money doing it, and then all of a sudden, turning around and saying, “I was forced to do it.” And they weren’t. It makes us all look bad, (laughter) like we’re all twits. And we all have no choice, and we’re all victims. And I’m NOT a victim.
RACHEL ARIEFF
In America’s puritanical culture, it’s so easy to scapecoat the adult industry. That’s what so many people do. It’s what “Joe the Plumber” likes to think. –How ‘bout that Sarah Palin, hey?
JANE HAMILTON
I think that’s great: “Nailin’ Palin”. (laughter)
RACHEL ARIEFF
What do you think about our hot new President?
JANE HAMILTON
Obama’s wonderful. I’m so glad. It gives me so much hope for America. I’m so thrilled and happy that for once, America hasn’t disappointed the shit out of me. After Bush getting in for two terms, I started to think, “Spain looks really good.” (laughter) And all my girlfriends – like Annie, when she traveled, she would tell people she was Canadian.
RACHEL ARIEFF
Do you think Obama’s hot?
JANE HAMILTON
Do I lust after him? Gee, I’ve never thought about fucking him. Isn’t that terrible?
RACHEL ARIEFF
I totally lust after him.
JANE HAMILTON
Really? I think he’s hot mentally. He’s like what a President should be. He should be cool, level-headed, intelligent, but a man of the people.
RACHEL ARIEFF
All this talk about “values” in American politics has made it a dirty word for me. But Obama really does communicate values.
JANE HAMILTON
Yeah, he doesn’t seem to be a hypocrite at all. And he never sunk to the level of all the politicians around him. And I think we’ll probably have some international standing again… I’m hoping.
We’ve premised our whole country upon the fact that everybody’s got a shot. That everybody’s equal. And that’s all been bullshit for so long. It’s been the Old Christian White Boys’ Club forever. And now it’s wonderful.
RACHEL ARIEFF
I have dreams about this President, he makes me so hot.
JANE HAMILTON
You know who makes me hot is Timothy. He makes me so fucking hot.
END OF INTERVIEW
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